Commons:Village pump/Archive/2025/03

Commons Gazette 2025-03

In February 2025, 1 sysop was elected; 1 sysop was removed. Currently, there are 182 sysops.

Election:

• User:Gnom was elected sysop (29/2/2) on 20 February.

Removal:

• User:Spiritia was removed on 12 February due to inactivity. She had served as sysop from 9 April 2008.

We thank her for her service.

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Edited by RoyZuo.

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--RoyZuo (talk) 01:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Webservice request timed out for glamorous tool on toolforge

Seems like there is not GitHub repo and the issues are also not tracked in phabricator. I don't understand why that is since that makes it unlikely for other to discover and help develop these useful tools.

Does somebody here know why the glamorous and glamorgan – which can be used to see file uses of files (example) – are getting the 504 Gateway Time-out – is there an issue somewhere?

--Prototyperspective (talk) 16:02, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Online again. Prototyperspective (talk) 14:56, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

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Unsourced Map Used on Many Pages

• 
  GIF uploaded 27 March 2010 by JWooldridge. 575 × 792.
• 
  GIF uploaded 23 March 2006 by en:User:Andrew c. Talk page reveals he has a vector version. 364 × 500.
• 
  Andrew c's source map. 4 March 2006. © Israel Central Bureau of Statistics.

I wasn't sure where the right place to discuss this is, but the image Galilee to Judea.gif is a map which was uploaded 15 years ago without comment and which is now used on something like twenty wikipedia articles across several different languages. It makes several claims about borders and political entities without any sources, and is placed very authoritatively at the top of some articles despite that. Is there a policy about this, or could someone familiar with the subject verify the contents of the map? I'm not very familiar with Commons so I'm sorry if this is confusing or if I'm making something straightforward into something very roundabout, but I'm very concerned about the idea of maps and other images which contain unverified claims being presented as authoritative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buglover100000 (talk • contribs) 19:15, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Looks to me like the source is Andrew c in 2006 with CC-BY 3.0. 364 ≈ 363.005. Aspect ratios are 0.726 and 0.728.

Andrew states:

This is a map of first century Iudaea Province that I created using Illustrator CS2. I traced this image for the general geographic features. I then manually input data from maps found in a couple of sources.

• Robert W. Funk and the Jesus Seminar. The Acts of Jesus. HarperSanFrancisco: 1998. p. xxiv.
• Michael Grant. Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels. Charles Scribner's Sons: 1977. p. 65-67.
• John P. Meier. A Marginal Jew. Doubleday: 1991. p. 1:434.

Glrx (talk) 19:45, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

thank you so much! this had been bothering me for a little i really appreciate you taking the time to answer!

Buglover100000 (talk) 06:26, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Another place would be the Help:Misinformation talk page but it may be rather unlikely to get an as good reply there as quickly. For other similar cases, also see Files (datagraphics) without data sources that are used on Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects can be found using the GLAMorgan tool here (alternative tool). on that page. In this case, if you found out what the source is, please add it to the file info. Prototyperspective (talk) 14:56, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

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video2commons not working

Hello everyone,

I am writing an article about Katu Mirim and I found this CC BY video on youtube which would be a great illustration. When I try to pass it through https://video2commons.toolforge.org/ though, I get the error : Error: An exception occurred: DownloadError: b'ERROR: [youtube] RhbJjHhm6LU: Sign in to confirm you\xe2\x80\x99re not a bot.

Could anyone else try, see if you get the same error ? Thank you !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhbJjHhm6LU

have a good day Vache-crapaud (talk) 22:50, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, if you check Commons:video2commons, you will see unfortunately it stopped working for YouTube videos for a while now. The problem came from YouTube itself so currently there are no fix for it. As a workaround, you just have to download the video manually then upload the file through videos2commons. Tvpuppy (talk) 23:53, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Vache-crapaud (talk) 09:50, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Tracked in GitHub
toolforge/video2commons/issues/237

Created the issue. See Commons:YouTube files/Downloading for info how to download as webm without the tool. Prototyperspective (talk) 15:23, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

No to intimidation of volunteer contributors

Hello, just for your info, there is an open letter in the French Wikipedia fr:Wikipédia:Lettre ouverte : non à l'intimidation des contributeurs bénévoles in support to a user (also user here) who suffered pressure and threats from a newspaper journalist. Christian Ferrer ^(talk) 17:50, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Nazism vs National Socialism

Hello everyone,

I would appreciate it if other users could participate in this discussion to help reach a consensus. Your feedback and input would be valuable in resolving the matter.

Thanks in advance!

Nebula84912 (talk) 18:11, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

L'Illustration year

This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. ReneeWrites (talk) 17:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Could someone edit this template so it appears in Category:Magazines of France, 1914, not in Category:1914? Rathfelder (talk) 11:03, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Done, I have edited it. Now it shouldn’t appear in the year category. Tvpuppy (talk) 12:05, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Rathfelder (talk) 23:08, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Question to native English-speakers about correct category name

This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. ReneeWrites (talk) 10:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Some time ago I created Category:Child victims of National Socialism, and since I'm not a native English-speaker, I used the already existing Category:Child casualties and Category:Child Holocaust victims for guidance on choosing a proper English name for my category - both categories use the singular form for the word "child". Recently, @Blackcat moved[1] the category to the plural form "children": Category:Children victims of National Socialism. I asked[2] Blackcat about the move, because the naming is not in line with the other categories and to me the singular form "child" sounds like the correct form. I might be wrong, of course, but Blackcat also doesn't seem to be a native English-speaker, so I'm hoping to get some input from native English-speakers on the category name. Should it be "child victims" or "children victims"?

(Side note: in the user talk page discussion, you'll see that "Japanese children" and "Children of Japan" were mentioned. This is in reference to some other category moves that Blackcat did (e.g. [3]) and which I absolutely support, because the original category naming in those cases was definitely non-standard and I only had chosen that non-standard naming because there was already a category with that naming pattern when I started to create similar categories for children of other nations; namely, it was this one: [4]. But the non-standard naming also created issues with country-navigation template usage, so I'm glad that Blackcat fixed those with the move.) Nakonana (talk) 17:06, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

I think that using the singular form "child" sounded more correct. Using the plural form, i.e. "children victims", doesn’t seem correct in the same way as using the plural form for “adult”, i.e. “adults victims”. Tvpuppy (talk) 17:35, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

"Child victims" is correct. "Children victims" doesn't make sense. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:44, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

"Child" is correct, and in this context it is an adjective, not a noun. English-language adjectives don't change forms in the plural. - Jmabel ! talk 21:51, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

"Child victims" is the correct plural. ReneeWrites (talk) 12:10, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

"Child victim" is a compound noun; plural is "child victims". See https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/nouns-compound-nouns Glrx (talk) 17:40, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

@Glrx: I know that "child" is used as adjective in that context (and as a matter of fact I know that English adjectives don't change in genre and number) but I thought it could be used "children" as noun ("Children [that are] victims of WWII". Anyway the consensus towards "Child victims" is clear, I'm going to revert my move. -- Blackcat 10:45, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

I think it might have worked as a noun if there was a dash: "Children — victims of WWII". However, that would be a very unusual category name, and there might be a subtle difference in meaning, too.

Anyways, thanks for undoing the move, and thanks to everyone else for the input. Nakonana (talk) 17:40, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

I proposed to change the GFDL cut-off date

Hi! Since this place is for discussing of policies I thought I would leave a notice that I made a proposal to change Commons:Licensing here: Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Proposal_(change_GFDL_cut-off_date). --MGA73 (talk) 19:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

"This file did not pass file verification."

Hi all

I've just tried to upload some svg files (individual pages of a booklet I've been working on for a Wikimedia chapter) and I'm getting a weird message with about 20% of the pages, it says "This file did not pass file verification". Two things:

1. There is no further information about what this means and no link to documentation that explains this. How do I requestion this gets fixed?
2. Does anyone know if there is documentation on what this error means and how to fix it?

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 13:10, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

@John Cummings: Since you don't say the date or file name it's hard to be sure. You say you "just" did this, but the most recent Filter Log entries I can find for you are almost a week back. Those were for trying to add a permission ticket when you aren't a VRT member. Actually, that's what I see for all Filter Log issued for you in the last month or so. - Jmabel ! talk 18:40, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Normally it would mean that the file is not an svg or has the wrong extension (this would not show up in the abuse log). It would help if you could upload the file somewhere else and link to it so we can see. Bawolff (talk) 20:11, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Looking at logs, it looks like you tried to upload a 12mb file named "12 Case study pages Sudan.svg". Are you sure that wasn't supposed to be a .pdf instead? Case studies aren't usually in SVG format, and the error you got would be the one you would get if you tried to upload a PDF file with a .svg extension. Bawolff (talk) 09:39, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Bawolff thanks, its definately an .svg, Jmabel, I don't understand what ticket you mean, am I doing something wrong? If so I'd like to correct it. To be clear, it won't show up in my uploads because it won't accept it as an upload. Here are the files which don't work, you can see from my recent uploads other svg files in the same series I made at the same time work completely fine Category:WikiGap Brochure...

• p3
• p7
• p10
• p12

I've started a phab ticket here

Thanks for any suggestions.

John Cummings (talk) 11:11, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• • @John Cummings: if my theory is right, it wouldn't be a problem with the file, it would be a problem with the accompanying wikitext. If you tried to upload with the {{PermissionTicket}} template, that would be rejected, because only VRT members are allowed to place that in uploads. - Jmabel ! talk 23:31, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Jmabel, thanks but I'm completely confused, I didn't try uploading these images with a VRT template, I think I've only ever uploaded anything with the OTRS/VRT pending template.

@John Cummings It looks like those files have very large embedded JPEGs in them. Commons does not allow raster images embedded in SVGs to be larger than 10mb (after base64 conversion). I think this is the issue you are having. Bawolff (talk) 03:53, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Bawolff, thank you very much for explaining, is this documented anywhere? John Cummings (talk) 09:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

I added it to https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:SVG&diff=prev&oldid=912120003 last time this came up. As far as i can tell, its not an intentional change but a change because one of the programs mediawiki uses (libxml) changed its default. So all that would need to be done is for mediawiki to set the LIBXML_PARSEHUGE option to restore the old behaviour. Perhaps @Sannita (WMF) could convince the multimedia team to look into it. Bawolff (talk) 09:21, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Brunei Darussalam Newsletter

Hello! I came across the Brunei Darussalam Newsletter, where some of the older issues contain a sidebar on the left side of page 2 that states: "Brunei Darussalam Newsletter is published fortnightly by the Department of Information. It reports on government, social and business events in the country. All money values are expressed in Brunei dollars $, unless otherwise stated. Any information in this newsletter may be reproduced; a clipping of the publication would be appreciated. For free subscription (Excluding postage) write to Information Department, Jalan Stoney, Bandar Seri Begawan 2041, Brunei Darussalam." An example would be here. So my question is whether the term "information" in that specific issue could also apply to images.

This has been previously used in "Category:Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Brunei) News Digest issues". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pangalau (talk • contribs) 13:52, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

@Pangalau my opinions:

1. "information" probably only refers to facts, like if there is an article talking about economic projects, it's free to "reproduce the information" (by writing your own article with the same facts), but merely copypasting the entire article would still probably be violation of copyright.
2. users should be careful and should not construe any vague permission as compatible with com:l.

RoyZuo (talk) 09:52, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Noted, and I appreciate your opinionǃ Pangalau (talk) 12:43, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Is there a reason Commons doesnt allow us to convert MP4 files to WEBM when uploading?

Having to search out external software and websites just to even being allowed to upload videos in the first place is a huge annoyance which only helps discouraging users from uploading content here. --Trade (talk) 23:49, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

@Trade: Yes, "Commons does not support the more commonly used patent-encumbered video formats such as H.264 and H.265 that are used in MP4 and MOV files, since their use could require royalty payments" per COM:Video#Video formats.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 01:55, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

That's the whole point of converting the videos Trade (talk) 03:25, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

@Trade, this was a feature request in 2023: Commons:Requests for comment/Technical needs survey/Video conversion support. That discussion mentions video2commons which may help somewhat. See Help:Converting video. Commander Keane (talk) 03:21, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

The reason is here: Commons:Requests for comment/MP4 Video. Pyb en résidence (talk) 18:52, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

That RFC was over ten years ago, though. Consensus can change - as can the facts on the ground; did Wikimedia even support video transcoding at the time? Omphalographer (talk) 19:56, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

• The conversation on this is scattered and needs to be centralized. The relevant mp4 patents will expire in maybe 2027 or 2028. Commons_talk:Requests_for_comment/MP4_Video#6_years_later_-_patents_expiring_-_when_is_MP4_free_enough? I started some other discussion somewhere where WMF staff asked what community wanted for Commons, and the thought there was that whenever mp4 is off patent, it will be trivial for WMF to plan that year to permit mp4 uploads on the day it becomes open technology. Bluerasberry (talk) 21:36, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

  One problem with converting video in high quality is that it requires huge processing power. The other problem is that if we make it possible for everyone to upload their phone video snapshot we will have a huge reviewing problem as we need someone to watch the hole video and check it for copyright violations. GPSLeo (talk) 22:12, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

  We could make mp4 uploads as autopatroller only if necessary when we get to that. But we definitely should have some option in place to upload mp4 once its off-patent. That would certainly make it easier for me to upload videos I've captured off my tablet (as I would need to run them through Video2Commons to convert them to webm) Abzeronow (talk) 23:22, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

  For what it's worth, we already have a pretty serious "reviewing problem" for YouTube imports. It's not helped by the fact that we don't have well-established scope standards for video content. Omphalographer (talk) 23:52, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

  Didnt YouTube broke imports some weeks ago anyways? Trade (talk) 19:29, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  For the moment, yes. But it's still a problem. Omphalographer (talk) 19:37, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Non-confirmed users still allowed to use Upload Wizard?

I previously discussed how to implement the consensus disallowing any more local cross-wiki uploading into Commons. Somehow, I hadn't seen one reply, so the discussion was then archived without such.

Maybe I should've specified further as I'm doing now. Does Commons still allow non-confirmed users to use Upload Wizard, especially to upload files as "free"? (A previous proposal to restrict non-confirmed users from uploading videos and audio clips didn't go well. I'm starting this discussion cautiously before making any more proposals.) George Ho (talk) 22:06, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

@George Ho, thanks for continuing to work on what I perceive is the terrible mess of cross-wiki uploads.

I can't work out the answer to your question:

Does Commons still allow non-confirmed users to use Upload Wizard, especially to upload files as "free"?.

Well, as far as I can see (and I am auto-confirmed so maybe non-confirmed can't even open the Wizard) the only way to progress past the release rights stage in the Commons Upload Wizard is to select either:

• This work was created by me and anyone is free to use it.
• This work was created by someone else and it is free to share.

Both "free". So your question is can users with an account less than 4 days old (non-confirmed) upload at all? As far as I can tell (if mediawiki:Manual:User_rights "user" corresponds to "Users" in Wikimedia world) this would be the "Users" group in Special:ListGroupRights and it says this group has "Upload" permissions. I have no idea if an edit-filter is being used to override GroupRights, but I think that would be very strange.

After writing all this I have confused myself. But I will post it in hopes that someone knowledgeable can participate. Commander Keane (talk) 21:53, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct annual review: proposed changes are available for comment

Please help translate to your language.

I am writing to you to let you know that proposed changes to the Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) Enforcement Guidelines and Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter are open for review. You can provide feedback on suggested changes through the end of day on Tuesday, 18 March 2025. This is the second step in the annual review process, the final step will be community voting on the proposed changes. Read more information and find relevant links about the process on the UCoC annual review page on Meta.

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. This annual review was planned and implemented by the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, you may review the U4C Charter.

Please share this information with other members in your community wherever else might be appropriate.

-- In cooperation with the U4C, Keegan (WMF) 18:50, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Decade by category navbox

This needs editting so things like Category:Cross-country skiing in the 1900s go into a subcategory, not into Category:1900s Rathfelder (talk) 13:35, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

I changed the template so it is now in the “Sports in the XXXXs” category instead. Tvpuppy (talk) 13:47, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. There are a lot of similar issues. Is this the place to ask them to be fixed? Rathfelder (talk) 09:56, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, usually for most you can do it here. If the page is using a template, you can go to the template discussion page instead. Tvpuppy (talk) 13:07, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Please can someone look at the templates for Category:1910s political cartoons of the United States, Category:Microphones in the 1910s, Category:Science fiction in the 1910s, and Category:Home kitchens in the 1910s and take them out of Category:1910s? Rathfelder (talk) 10:01, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Overcategorization like that is a pretty common issue for these types of templates unfortunately. At least IMO categories should just be added manually without the pointless navbox or there should at least be an approval process. By date templates are more trouble then they are worth at this point though. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:05, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

I’m looking into it. Will try to fix each of them. Tvpuppy (talk) 13:07, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

@Rathfelder Now they should be all fixed. Let me know if I have missed anything. Tvpuppy (talk) 15:54, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

I think that's it - for now, at least. Thank you very much.

One other question: English wikipedia has a very useful template {{Navseasoncats}}, but it doesnt work here. Is there an equivalent, or could one be made? Rathfelder (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

It would be very useful here, but to my knowledge, there isn’t an equivalent. One could be made, but that’s outside of my technical abilities. Tvpuppy (talk) 19:13, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Larger version is 180° rotated

When I click on File:Exterior del Museo.png to see the enlarged version the image has been rotated by 180°. How to solve that? Wouter (talk) 12:37, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Wouterhagens: Rotate it again locally. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Exterior_del_Museo.png looks fine to me on the latest Chrome and Windows 10.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 14:12, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@User:Jeff G.: Thanks. I experienced the problem with Firefox and to my surprise not in Safari. Wouter (talk) 18:54, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

This general happens when there is conflicting rotational information in the metadata of the files. One type of metadata says one thing, and the other metadata says the other thing. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:51, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Wishlist for new features on Commons

Hi!

I invite you to join the wishlist of proposals for new functions on Commons. The focus lays on the support of colored meshes, which is highly requested and elemental for future media, and the support for DNG files to be archived. Several additions have also positive influence on sister projects like Wikipedia. We're happy to see you there :) --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 16:26, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Theatre by year

Could anyone make some new templates for other countries like the one for Spain? Category:Theatre of Spain by year? Rathfelder (talk) 13:46, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

I will try to see if I can make one. Do you mean a template for “Category:Theatre of X by year” itself or its subcats i.e. “Category:YYYY in theatre of X”? Tvpuppy (talk) 15:27, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

I created a template for “Category:YYYY in theatre of X”, see {{Theatre of country by year}}. In theory, it should work for any country and any year, without adding any parameters. See Category:1936 in theatre of Spain for example. Tvpuppy (talk) 16:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

That's great! Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 19:17, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

@Rathfelder I also finished making {{Theatre of country by decade}} for the decade categories “Category:Theatre of X in YYYYs”. It should also work without parameters, see example at Category:Theatre of the United States in 1910s. Tvpuppy (talk) 17:59, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Just what I need! Rathfelder (talk) 18:01, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

@Rathfelder I have just finished {{Theatre of country by century}} for the century-categories. It works the same as well. Tvpuppy (talk) 19:22, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

That is really helpful. Speeds things up no end - and I dont have to worry about miss clicking! Thank you very much. Rathfelder (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

File:Odawaa.jpg AI upscaled?

With all due respect this does seems to be something generated using AIGC, see the uniform which distorted the person's name stripe. I'm fairly new here so not sure if this is RD-able as it is used on a wikipedia article, while it also seems that alternatives are available, at Category:Odowaa Yusuf Rageh. These aren't that good but also not necessarily worse than an AI generated image? Again I'm not sure what I can do so I just want to report my findings.

Best regards, HanayoPlus LP (talk) 15:39, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

File:Odowaa Yusuf Rageh - 2021 (cropped).jpg looks better to me in any case so I replaced the image on English Wikipedia with that one  $999$REAL 💬 ⬆   16:50, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that's obviously been through some sort of crappy AI scaling. Worse, it doesn't seem to be the uploader's own work either; similar images appeared on Twitter and Facebook in 2020-21, e.g. [5], [6], etc. I've tagged it for deletion. Omphalographer (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

It has been deleted now. Prototyperspective (talk) 10:48, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

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Clothing by date

Category:Clothing in 1957 - and later dates are this way round. Category:1899 clothing and earlier dates are the other way round. Wouldnt it be nice if they were all the same way round? Rathfelder (talk) 22:39, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

The proper name should be “Clothing in XXXX”, so I have renamed the categories for 1899 and before. Tvpuppy (talk) 23:44, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• It seems that we already have Category:Fashion in 1957, do we really need two categories for the same concept? --RAN (talk) 01:53, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  I also find it confusing figuring out the difference between the two. Furthermore, Category:Clothing in 1899 is a subcat of Category:Fashion in 1899, but Category:Fashion in 2025 is a subcat of Category:Clothing in 2025. Tvpuppy (talk) 02:10, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Clothing should be a subcategory of fashion. Clothing refers to the clothes themselves, whereas fashion also encompasses the industry, styles/trends, culture, and so on. ReneeWrites (talk) 19:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  • @ReneeWrites: I'd look at it very differently: "clothing" can be purely functional. "Fashion" indicates some deliberate sense of current style. A beggar may be clothed, but their clothes are generally not an example of "fashion." Traditional dress of various countries and cultures is generally not "fashion", although it's not a firm line (e.g. the introduction of buttons into traditional Alaskan dress in the 19th century). - Jmabel ! talk 02:44, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

    I don't think of fashion as just being about trends. I absolutely think historical/cultural dress is a kind of fashion as well. ReneeWrites (talk) 07:43, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

    • @ReneeWrites: Certainly yes to "historical", but at least since the 17th Century it has had a connotation of conformity to some particular standard of taste. - Jmabel ! talk 04:57, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

      Yeah, an argument can be made for this to be the other way around as well, or them existing in parallel, but intersecting at various points. But the two terms are related, and I feel like if it doesn't get discussed/figured out now the whole "is X a subcategory of Y" will keep cropping up in the future, so maybe we should start a proper topic about this at CfD. ReneeWrites (talk) 10:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

      • Probably a good idea. Either way around is fine (probably with appropriate hat notes to explain the relation) but a mix is bad. - Jmabel ! talk 16:23, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Categories under Category:FoP-Switzerland

The categorizations of many categories here are problematic. Supposedly, {{FoP-Switzerland}} should not be used in categories of specific artworks and buildings, as country-specific templates are meant for file namespace only. Moreover, the categories of several artists were slapped with this template, making the categories ending up categorized under this category. It isn't correct to tag the artists' categories with this template, as the artists may have made artworks located in countries with no liberal panorama exceptions. I suggest using {{FoP-category}} for categories of Swiss works themselves, and removing the FoP tag from the categories of artists ({{NoUploads}} suffices). Since there are 700+ categories under Category:FoP-Switzerland, manual fixing of the categories is impractical. I hope there's "VisualCategoryChange" that can custom replace some content of multiple categories at once. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 12:33, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

•  Support I've never really been a huge fan of people adding licensing templates to categories myself. They should really only be used on files. Feel free to ping me when (or if) this is approved and maybe I can help clean some of it up. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:55, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

  I'm actually doing it now to some of the categories, replacing FoP-Switzerland with FoP-category. But I can't finish them all due to manual editing and that there's too many categories (less than 600 now but more than 500). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 13:09, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

  I think it should be possible to modify such templates in a way that it gives a different output depending on the namespace it is used in, so that it for example shows a big red warning "Please only use this template on file pages!!!" in category space. --HyperGaruda (talk) 19:47, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

  • But it looks like Commons does not have Template:Namespace detect, which is what I'd use for this on en-wiki. It looks like we formerly had it and it was deleted. @Fastily and Denniss: you both deleted this at different times. Is there a different way this should be done on Commons, or did Commons for some reason decide not to support this? - Jmabel ! talk 02:07, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Mainspace dab pages

Although mainspace dab pages are usually not formatted as gallery pages, COM:GAL does not mention anything regarding such pages. So, I think all mainspace pages should be considered "gallery pages", and they should be formatted like gallery pages. Windows is an example of a mainspace dab page that is also a legit gallery page by itself. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 17:53, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Movie dubbing map of Europe

Hello! I have some complaints about the video dubbing map in Europe. For example, should Russia be classified as a red zone? According to a March 2022 survey by Morning Consult, 86% of Russian respondents watch foreign films in their native language. At the same time, back in the 1990s, due to the strong spread of video piracy and cost reduction, video studios and television companies preferred voice-over translation of films.

Also regarding Ukraine - since 2006, films have only been shown in Ukrainian in cinemas with full dubbing. In Poland, many films and TV series are also released in professional dubbing. Therefore, I have a question primarily for participants from Eastern European countries. MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 07:46, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Category:Tan (newspaper)

All but half a dozen of the 1448 files in this category are miscategorised. They should be in Category:Milliyet. Do we have any device for mass-processing? Rathfelder (talk) 16:42, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot is really good at this. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:48, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Rathfelder (talk) 21:22, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

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"Winners of [Award]" vs "[Award] winners" categories

Which formatting should be used for these categories? I noticed that Blackcat has moved many of these categories from "[Award] winners" to "Winners of [Award]" over the years. Category:BAFTA Award winners to Category:Winners of the BAFTA Award, for example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Οἶδα (talk • contribs)

Should these categories exist at all? Having won an award is not typically a defining property of a person. Omphalographer (talk) 01:20, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Certainly some should. A Nobel or Pritzker or for that matter a BAFTA or Oscar are sufficiently prominent that you routinely hear someone referred to as a "Nobel Laureate", a "Pritker prize-winning architect" or a BAFTA- or Oscar-winning actress. - Jmabel ! talk 02:11, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Sounds like a separate discussion, one which has certainly been had many times on Wikipedia. A category like Category:Best Picture Academy Award winners exists on 64 different Wikipedia editions. Categories for lesser awards have been deleted before, but there hasn't been consensus to delete career-defining awards such as those mentioned by Jmabel above. Οἶδα (talk) 04:48, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

There's certainly a point where it gets needlessly obtuse. Like the categories for Recipients of Russian awards on here. Most of which are extremely minor, if not totally meaningless. The categories for the various recipients Jubilee medals of the Soviet Union are particularly bad. Category:Recipients of the Jubilee Medal "50 Years of the Armed Forces of the USSR" contains like 1000 subcategories for recipients and most (or all) of them have recived all the other Jubilee Medals. So you end up with nonsense like the absolute mess at the top of Category:Vladimir Chernavin. It's not great to say the least. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:41, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

It's a different matter on Commons than on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; its subject matter is topics (like people, awards, and films), and categories which describe those topics (like what awards a person has received, or what films an actor has performed in) can certainly be within its scope. However, Commons is not an encyclopedia; it's a media library. We use categories to organize media and to describe its attributes. That organization frequently revolves around topics (again, like people) - but we don't need to replicate the work done by Wikipedia to fully describe those topics. A simple categorization, like describing a person as an actor or a science fiction author, can be sufficient. Omphalographer (talk) 17:57, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Fair enough. But that is still a larger discussion about awards recipients rather than the simple formatting inquiry I posted. I myself am not very familiar with Commons' process of category inclusion (i.e. overcategorization), which is why I invoked the analogue of Wikipedia, although I was not boldly claiming we replicate their standard of categorization. I have created many categories on Commons, but nothing like these awards categories. I've always been focused on the direct what? / where? / when? / who? / how? of files. Though I would be curious how Category:Recipients of the Legion of Honour or Category:Nobel laureates and its subcategories fit into your statement. Οἶδα (talk) 04:34, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Magazine template

This template {{:Magazine by year|L'Illustrazione Italiana|187|4|logo=Illustrazione Italiana - Testata.jpg|prev=L'Illustrazione Universale}} puts the results into Category:Magazines by year. They should be in Category:Magazines by year by country. Please could someone fix it? and maybe others like it? Rathfelder (talk) 19:27, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Rathfelder, the template {{Magazine by year}} is not country-specific, so it is correct to categorise into Category:Magazines by year. Do you mean you want a template similar to {{Theatre of country by year}}, but for magazines? Tvpuppy (talk) 19:57, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes please! Rathfelder (talk) 20:12, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

@Rathfelder It took a while since I had to make sure the template works with the existing categories for each country, but here’s the templates for magazines, it should work the same as the theatre templates before.

• {{Magazines of country by year}}
• {{Magazines of country by decade}}
• {{Magazines of country by century}}

Tvpuppy (talk) 06:43, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Magazines are a mess and this will be a big help! Rathfelder (talk) 10:05, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

@Rathfelder I can’t see your reply here, but it wasn’t working for Azerbaijan because the format of the category name is different. I have renamed them, so now it works. See Category:Magazines of Azerbaijan, 1924 for example. Tvpuppy (talk) 15:03, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 16:48, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

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JFK Assassination Records - 2025 Documents Release

Hi, Has anyone uploaded these documents, or intent to do so? [7]. There is this category, but it doesn't seem to include everything (the source mentions more than 2,000 files). Yann (talk) 19:56, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm willing to get started on it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

I have about 80% of the files downloaded, so now I'm onto uploading soon. I'll write here if I need more help, but assume that I'll have it done today. Thanks for escalating, Yann. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:01, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

About half are uploaded. I'm tired but will do the rest after rest. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:29, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

While it is very much appreciated, it is a little frustrating that several hundred of these were uploaded while I was asleep. Had I known someone else was going to do this, I wouldn't have spent several hours downloading, renaming, uploading, etc. Additionally, the uploads seem to have been done semi-automatically or automatically, as just a handful of documents were not uploaded: some documents were previously released with some redactions and new versions have been released in this data dump (e.g. see File:JFK Assassination File 104-10302-10000.pdf and File:JFK Assassination File 104-10302-10000 (2025 release).pdf). The bot or user with a semi-automated process just skipped those files with filename clashes, so this still required human discretion. I'm uploading the last few now, but the most efficient way to do that is to upload hundreds of files that are redundant and then remove them from the upload form. :/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:50, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

• Do the files come with OCR, or do we have to run it ourselves? --RAN (talk) 22:05, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

  Choosing the random file that I recently uploaded, File:JFK Assassination File 104-10071-10239.pdf, looking at the raw file itself and pressing Ctrl+F, I cannot find any text. Nor can I hi-lite text using my mouse cursor. These are typically accurate ways of telling if you have a text layer or just a photographic scan of a document. My suspicion is that these 2,148+ files are all photographic scans. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:19, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

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Broken PDF display

Can anyone explain why the PDF display breaks after I upload it? I didn't have this issue last night, but now it isn't showing properly. --SDudley (talk) 14:37, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

It just needed to be purged a couple of times. This routinely happens with PDFs. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:09, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

thank you! That is super helpful :) SDudley (talk) 15:11, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

No problem, friend. Also, if you are going to make an index for this at Wikisource to transcribe, you may need to purge it there once or twice as well. i.e. go to s:en:File:The_Ring_on_the_Hand_of_Death_-_William_Rollins_Jr._(April_1924).pdf and purge on that page, not just here at Commons. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:20, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

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