File talk:Flag of the Syrian revolution.svg

Edit request

1. Can the English caption be put in English, and the current one (Syrische revolutie vlag) set to Dutch (I believe it's Dutch).

2. Press are currently calling it the "Syrian rebel flag" - can this be added as an alternative name? see ndtv

3. Can categorization be looked at because it was really slow to trawl through and find. If it's a variation of a 1930s flag then can the flags be linked to each other in the "other versions" image galleries?

4. Adding to the Syria / Flag of Syria pages may make it easier to find. Thank you - Amousey (talk) 22:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Done. This will soon be moved to Flag of Syria. Abzeronow (talk) 22:20, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abzeronow When? – Yeagvr (talk) 02:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abzeronow I think the time has come to move this File to Flag of Syria.svg. The new flag is being used officially, and, moreover, on many language editions of Wikipedia, Flag of Syria is being changed to Flag of Syrian revolution. This is somewhat out of style, and if the flag were to change even slightly in the future, every article using this File name would need to be manually updated. I believe it no longer makes sense to wait. Yeagvr (talk) 01:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please go to COM:VP and look for Syrian flag thread, you can post about this there. Abzeronow (talk) 17:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Syria is now a redirect to this flag. Abzeronow (talk) 18:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Abzeronow.

The new renaming suggestion has been open for almost a week now and it seems that none of us active file movers dare to press the button. What do you think of the name suggestion? Is he even good? Wouldn't it make more sense to overwrite the redirect File:Flag of Syria.svg since it is now the official flag? Greetings, זיו「Ziv」 • For love letters and other notes 09:50, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two suggestions

Hi. I have two simple suggestions for the flag:

First, I suggest hiding/deleting the "16:9 aspect ratio version" that published on October 23, 2022 by @Objx77, so that the reader does not get confused with the aspect ratio, and stop attempts to restore the version as happened two times if you noticed.
I suggest returning to the January 9, 2012 version published by @AnonMoos, because the current version that published by @Thespoondragon has very large stars and does not proportionate to the dimensions of the flag. Of course, this will be temporary until a new constitution is adopted that stipulates specific dimensions for the flag (we hope so). Thank you

مغوار (talk) 16:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I could do 1 if edit warring continues to be an issue. I definitely suggest the 16:9 version be uploaded as a new file. As for 2, Thespoondragon's has sources but if there is consensus for AnonMoos's Jan. 9, 2012 version being more accurate, I'll revert. @Yeagvr: @Abo Yemen: for their thoughts. Abzeronow (talk) 18:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like Thespoondragon's version more as AnonMoos's one feels unnatural, but that is just my opinion. Abo Yemen ✉ 06:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abo Yemen@Abzeronow Check out this study of the flag that someone did yesterday. I think it's great and almost identical to the 2012 version by AnonMoos (but I disagree with the colors). مغوار (talk) 07:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it isn't official tho and we already have a flag version with the smaller stars Abo Yemen ✉ 07:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

talking about Flag of the Syrian revolution (small stars).svg Abo Yemen ✉ 07:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abzeronow I think it's time to remove the 16:9 aspect ratio version. I don't think uploading the image as a separate file is a good idea, especially since this aspect ratio is never used (especially those larg stars) and would confuse the reader. مغوار (talk) 05:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@مغوار: Hi, and welcome. Please see COM:DP and COM:DR for the policy and procedure regarding removal. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 05:19, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's no need to do a DR for revision deletion. I'll ask @Jmabel: and @Ericliu1912: if I should hide the 16:9 versions since I'd like another pair of eyes to tell me if I should. Abzeronow (talk) 20:54, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, 16:9 aspect ratio is simply wrong. I think we could suppress content visibility (but keep intact who uploaded it and when) so that no one is likely to revert to it.

Less sure about the size of the stars. I don't get enough of my news from visual media to have seen a lot of instances of what this flag looks like "in the wild." - Jmabel ! talk 21:05, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done 16:9 versions hidden. Abzeronow (talk) 23:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add redirects

As the topic up first said add "Syria Rebel Flag" as a redirect. Also add "Flag of Syria" and "Flag of Syria (De facto)" As redirects. Maybe add "Flag of Syria (2024-Present)" as a Redirect? Abrazilianwikieditor (talk) 04:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move

Hi @Jmabel, Abo Yemen, and Abzeronow:

Per new Constitution, the flag is now official. We should move it to Flag of Syria.svg Panam2014 (talk) 23:07, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

More correctly, we should make File:Flag of Syria.svg redirect here. We want to keep that a redirect, so that if it were to change again we don't have the same chaos we had last time.

The idea is that wikis should use File:Flag of Syria.svg if they want a flag that refers to the country independent of regime, as on geographic articles. Then they can use File:Flag of the Syrian revolution.svg or File:Flag of the United Arab Republic (1958–1971), Flag of Syria (1980–2024).svg to indicate the two sides in the civil war, or someone's political allegiance, etc.

Do note: I tried to do this move [or, more precisely, change of a redirect] months ago and met with massive pushback. See Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2024/12#Syrian_flag, Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2025/01#Syrian_flag,_redux. If you have not been following closely, and want to drive this, I strongly urge you to read those first. At that time, I spent 15-20 hours making somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000 related edits on various sister project wikis, especially en-wiki. Very few others contributed any significant effort, and this ended with someone from zh-wiki reverting here on Commons, which I chose not to fight at that time, since I was not interested in trying to fix problems on wikis in languages I cannot even read.

I'd be glad to see this happen, but I am currently traveling not in a position to make a comparable time commitment again, especially with the possibility of not getting the job done. I'd be happy if someone else drives this to completion, but I am not taking any further responsibility for it. - Jmabel ! talk 00:55, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, I would strongly oppose doing this via a file move rather than a change of a redirect. - Jmabel ! talk 00:57, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

per discussion, I have changed the redirect of Flag of Syria to this file. I'll probably have to make time to fix some things in French Wikipedia since I can read French well enough to fix articles there if necessary. I'll see when this week when I want to set aside a few hours to fix the issues there if there are any. Abzeronow (talk) 01:06, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Jmabel. Pinging @Panam2014 as OP. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 01:02, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmabel, Jeff G., and Abzeronow: changing the redirection is a good solution, but the problem is, if the file is not moved, Syria will be the sole country without a file which have the name of the country. It is different from Afghanistan, in which white flag is the flag of the taliban, not of the people. Current flag is used by the Syrian in and outside Syria, like current Libyan flag since 2011 or the Haitian flag since 1986. Also used by FIFA, etc. But we should have a new dicussion in village pump. Panam2014 (talk) 01:59, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Panam2014: This makes no sense, unless possibly I'm the one who is missing something. Under what I am proposing, transcluding File:Flag of Syria will give you the flag of Syria. I'm quite sure it will not be the only case where Category:Flag of FOO is a redirect, though possibly the other cases are for provinces, etc., rather than sovereign states. - Jmabel ! talk 04:16, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmabel: I maintain that now, renaming the file is the best solution. The new flag is recognized by all rebel factions, including the Kurds. And the flag is also recognized by some former Assad allies. I admit that the two options don't have exactly the same effect, but for now their effect is identical. As for the future, this is a crystal ball game, and concerns any country (similarly, many countries that have gone through civil wars have rarely changed their flag even when rebels take power, except in cases where the flag represents an ideology, such as a communist or Baathist flag). But sooner or later, we would move the file. Panam2014 (talk) 04:23, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are saying that for some unstated reason you are opposed to future-proofing.

FWIW, I believe that "Flag of FOO" categories are always better as redirects, for this same future-proofing reason.

Also FWIW, the U.S. (my native country) has changed its flag within my lifetime, as has Canada, though in neither case within the lifetime of Wikipedia. - Jmabel ! talk 04:33, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Claiming that the flag of Syria or US will change is a crystal ball. Syria could not remain an exception in Wikimedia Commons. And if all flag would be renamed, we should discuss it in village pump. Panam2014 (talk) 04:36, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any suggestion for a new naming convention for current flags? Panam2014 (talk) 04:40, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The US flag changes every time we add a new state. Now Trump is making noise about adding Canada. But there is never enough support for adding Puerto Rico. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 17:36, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Or Douglass Commonwealth for that matter. Abzeronow (talk) 18:07, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can definitely start a new COM:VP thread on the matter of future-proofing flags of nations. We might need to some practice for if Bougainville becomes independent and it's own nation in a few years. We definitely should figure out a best practices for this since Wikipedia did not have to contend with the issues of new flags since it was not around from 1989-1991. Abzeronow (talk) 18:14, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Abzeronow: could you start it? Panam2014 (talk) 02:00, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]